Para algunos en USA el colapso de Mexico es algo proximo y siguen con esa noción

Esto de un representante por el estadode Texas:

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," February 16, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GLENN BECK, HOST: OK. There is California. Let's try this one. Mexico is the 12th largest economy and second largest trading partner with the U.S. And I don't know if you have noticed this. Grab a fire extinguisher. It's on fire. Close to 6,000 people were killed by rival drug gangs which is twice as many as in 2007. Texas is terrified that the violence is going to spill over the border.

In a minute, I will explain how the whole world is going to change if Mexico collapses. The number one place for kidnappings is Mexico City. Who do you think number two is for kidnapping? You know, I was thinking Bogota, Columbia. Maybe some place in Somalia.

Well, close. It is Phoenix, Arizona where there were almost 400 reported kidnappings last year and many more went unreported.

Excuse me? John McCain was on the campaign trail for how many months, and we never heard about this and it's happening in his backyard? No one is talking about it, because it's not in anybody's best interest, you know, except yours and mine.

I think it's in your best interest to know all of the facts and what it means to you. Texas officials are now planning for the worst-case scenario of, what do you do if Mexico just collapses?

State Senator Dan Patrick is joining me now. Hey, Dan, how are you?

SEN. DAN PATRICK (R), TEXAS STATE SENATOR: Hi, Glenn. Thank you for your passion on everything. It comes through.

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BECK: Thank you. Thank you.

PATRICK: Thank you, Glenn.

BECK: I have been, and I know you have been, too - talking about the border, not because ...

PATRICK: Yes.

BECK: ... much to many people's chagrin here in America that I don't hate Mexicans. I don't hate people who are different than me. Almost everybody on the planet is different than me. I mean, look at me.

PATRICK: Right.

BECK: The problem is this is a dangerous situation. People feel disenfranchised. Mexico is on the verge of collapse. You've got massive murder problems and drug problems. What are you are guys worried about? And how are you preparing in Texas for a possible push into America from people just fleeing a drug state?

PATRICK: Well, Glenn, we had hearings a couple of weeks ago. And I asked our Homeland Security Director Steve McCraw of Texas if he feared the collapse of Mexico and did we have a plan. And he didn't deny the fact that it is a concern.

And since that subcommittee meeting we had a few weeks ago, he has been working with Gov. Perry and I'm meeting with him in a few days, as a matter of fact, to see their progress on developing a plan.

You will love this term, Glenn. The United States has a plan called "mass migration" as opposed to the collapse of Mexico. And we need a plan here in Texas because there are two scenarios, Glenn. One is a slow collapse, an economic collapse of Mexico in which hundreds of thousands would come here over a period of time.

The second is what I call a Colombian collapse of Mexico, an assassination of the president, the drug cartels taking over the country, civil war breaking out on the streets, people fleeing for their lives, not for a job.

We have to be prepared in the United States for both and Texas must be prepared.

BECK: What do you think -

PATRICK: We're already seeing violence on the border, on our side.

BECK: What are you going to do? Violence on the border - nobody even understands this. If I said, America - 20 people were beheaded last year on our border.

PATRICK: Right.

BECK: Would you be amazed? How about if I tell you 20 people were beheaded on our border last month? And nobody knows about it. What are you going to do for these bodies?

PATRICK: Yes, we found 1,000 bodies on the border in our last reporting year, by the way, Glenn. And what we're going to do is - what we need to do is we need the Federal Government to do their job and enforce the border, number one.

BECK: Dan, Dan -

PATRICK: We have 19 border crossings with Mexico. Number two, Texas - we should be calling out our national guard. We should be calling out Texas guard. We should be beefing up our sheriffs on the border. We should be beefing up our Department of Public Safety on the border.

BECK: It would be nice if candy bars came out of my butt, too.

PATRICK: We need to do all of those things and we need to do them now.

BECK: And I can eat all day. But they're not going to come out of my butt. So why are we talking about that? The government is not going to do it.

PATRICK: Glenn - Glenn, it will be done if we have leadership, if we have leadership here in this state and if we have leadership in the country.

BECK: Hang on -

PATRICK: And at some point, leaders will emerge, Glenn.

BECK: Oh, my god. It's a candy bar. It's not going to happen, Dan.

PATRICK: Leaders will emerge, Glenn.

BECK: You know what? I'm going to do this -

PATRICK: It will happen.

BECK: I'm going to do this - I'm going to eat chocolate for the next week, in hopes that I can make candy bars come into my pants. You keep trying to find a leader that is actually going to clean up the border. I bet I make candy bars in my shorts faster than you can find a leader.

PATRICK: And you know what, Glenn? I share your passion on these issues, and it is up to each of us. I have to lead from where I am. I'm not the president and I'm not the governor.

But I'm a state senator who has had enough of this. And I'm going to continue to push this issue by going to the border, by talking to our homeland security director, by talking to our governor and doing everything I can to push the issue.

BECK: Dan -

PATRICK: We all have to do everything we can ...

BECK: I know -

PATRICK: ... whether you're a sheriff on the border or a senator in Austin. And I'm not going to quit, Glenn. It's not an option.

BECK: Dan, look. I'm not taking it out on you.

PATRICK: I'm not going to quit talking about it.

BECK: I know, but there is - you know and I know there is something spoiled down on our border and we are part of it. Our government is part of it. I don't know what it is. You go and try to rat it out. You let me know. I'm going to be here trying to make candy bars in my pants.

PATRICK: I work on it every day, and the answer is not to do nothing. The answer is to continue to talk about it, bring forth a plan and execute that plan ...

BECK: I know.

PATRICK: ... and make America stand up and notice like you have and I have.

BECK: OK. Thanks a lot, Dan.

PATRICK: Thanks, Glenn.

BECK: We'll talk again.

Para USA México va de riesgo de seguridad a colapso y ahora a guerra civil

¿ Acaso andan de paranóicos ? ¿ Traen plan con maña para forzar una intervención en México ? o ¿ Saben algo que los mexicanos no ?

¿ Acaso un ejercicio premeditado entre gobiernos usando al narco como pretexto para forzar unaintervención y así la integración fáctica de Norteamérica ? Yo no sé, pero ahí dejo la duda.

Civil War And Vigilantism Gripping Mexico
January 19, 2009
By Michael Webster: Syndicated Investigative Reporter

A full scale civil war is underway in Mexico. The Mexican President Felipe Calderon and the powerful drug cartels that operate unmolested throughout Mexico are locked in a battle over control of the country. With tens of thousands of the Mexican army fully deployed and often fighting Zetas' (ex-Mexican army Special Forces trained in the U.S.) who is now working for the cartels.

The Mexican government has not been able to curtail the on going gruesome and erupting new violence and confrontations between the two warring parties throughout Mexico. This relentless fighting with casualties on both sides is in truth and scope a civil war. Mexico try's to hide that fact and the United States is apparently in total denial.
To date some 7,000 Mexicans have died in this war - all attributable to the government versus the rich and powerful Mexican Drug Cartels war.
During 2008 Mexico's violent deaths broke historic records raising the death toll to 5,630 execution murders, beating out last years all time record.

In 2008, more people lost their lives in Mexico do to violence then were lost in the war torn countries of Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

Were it not for the fact that the cartels are also frequently at war with one another, they might have won the war by now and would be in complete control of Mexico.

Execution-style murders, beheadings, dismemberings and kidnappings are common now in every state in Mexico on a daily basis. Gun battles are frequent events in Mexico City and in Mexican towns all along the border. On Jan. 5, the body of Jose Ivan Vasquez Lopez, 43, was found in a trash drum with his head cut off. On Jan. 7, the body of Ricardo Arturo Alvarado Contreras, 45, was found dead in a vacant lot with his hands chopped off. Mexican border town officials have crossed into the U.S. seeking asylum, fearing for their lives.
Now a third factor is reported to be getting into Mexico's civil war as the Mexican border towns are void of tourist. Mexican citizens are getting feed up with not having any business and that is making it very difficult to survive and make ends meet said Jose Lopez a shop keeper in what had normally been a busy typical Mexican border town and we the people are done with the fear and the bloody killings on our streets.

A group calling itself the Juárez Citizens Command is threatening to strike back against lawlessness that has gripped the city for a long time they say that they are striking back by killing one criminal a day until order and piece is restored. A potential rise in vigilante justice in Juárez is expected by some experts to spread throughout Mexico and would raise the steaks and escalate an already dangerous and bloody civil war.

The city's police and the Mexican army together have not been able to stop the plague of killings, beheadings, or the extortion targeted business owners, teachers, medical professionals, or the carjackings, kidnappings, robberies and other crime. Last year, more than 1,600 people were slain in Juárez alone.

"Better the death of a bad person, than that bad person continue contaminating our region," the group, named Comando Ciudadano por Juárez, or CCJ in Spanish, stated in a news release spread on the Internet.

"There is a call for the public to remain calm," said Andres Andreu, a Juárez representative in the Chihuahua state congress.

"In anger, this could start an uncontrollable wave of unjust deaths," Andreu said in a statement condemning vigilantism and urging authorities to do more to stop the violence. "Movements of this nature are directed more by a sense of vengeance than of justice."

The El Paso times reported that Howard Campbell, an anthropology


Professor at the University of Texas at El Paso stated: "What (vigilantism) says is people do not think the government can fix the violence, you have to remember, there is the whole history -- the killing of the women and the drug killings. The common person feels there is no one to protect them."

The environment exists for the creation for a group such as the CCJ, Campbell said. If the CCJ is real, Howard said, it could be reminiscent of Los Pepes, assassins who in the early 1990s targeted relatives and associates of drug lord Pablo Escobar in Colombia.

It was rumored that Los Pepes might have had links to rival drug traffickers or government special forces, including those in the United States.

Lynchings, mob beatings and other forms of vigilante justice are not unheard of in Mexico and other parts of Latin America, often because of lack of trust in government and law enforcement authorities.

Not long ago an enraged mob swarmed three federal police officers in the Mexico City suburb of San Juan Ixtayopan, and beat them nearly lifeless then doused them with gasoline and then burned two of them alive while thousands watched live on national television.

Dramatic as it was, the cop killings were not an isolated incident. Vigilantism has taken root in Latin America over the past decade, lending credence to the notion that the region is in the throes of a civil war. From Venezuela and Guatemala to Bolivia and Peru, angry crowds are increasingly taking the law into their own hands, meting out physical punishment for crimes real and imagined. Vigilantes often "lynch" common criminals who, in their view, have escaped justice. More recently they've started attacking public officials suspected of malfeasance. A mob in the Peruvian town of Ilave beat their mayor after accusing him of embezzlement, then dragged him into a public square and left him to die. "Lynching has grown totally out of control," says Mark Ungar, an expert on Latin American police reform at the Woodrow Wilson International School for Scholars in Washington. "It's spreading in the sense that vigilantes are going after criminals, officials, even governments--and once it starts it's hard to stop."

Mexican civil war is also spilling over into the U.S. Reports of incursions into the U.S. by heavily armed men in Mexican army uniforms (and often driving U.S.-made Humvees) now occurs on a regular basis. Sometimes the "soldiers" are cartel men, probably ex-Mexican army; sometimes they are real Mexican army. In many cases, their purpose is to escort and protect a drug run into the U.S. and back off any lightly armed local sheriff or Border Patrol agent in the way.

The evidence is clear Mexico is in a civil war and this civil war is happening in America's back yard in a neighboring country of a population of well over 100 million people. A 2000 mile open border and with corrupt officials operating on both sides of the Rio Grande River. There are estimates that the Mexican cartels produce, smuggle and sell some $300 billion worth of drugs into the U.S. annually. These drugs are poisoning our children and violently killing citizens on both sides of the U.S. Mexican border.